How does embodiment affect whether LLMs can participate in Wittgensteinian language games?
This explores a tension at the heart of the corpus: Wittgenstein said meaning lives in use within social practice (language games), so participating in those games might not require a body — yet several notes insist that some deeper form of linguistic agency does require embodiment.
This explores a tension at the heart of the corpus: Wittgenstein located meaning in use within shared social practice, which means an LLM that genuinely takes part in our linguistic exchanges might count as a participant in a language game — body or no body. But the collection splits the question into two layers, and embodiment matters differently at each. The first layer is social grounding: the corpus argues this is *acquired through participation*, not possessed innately, and that as LLMs become established conversational partners they pick up "elementary social grounding comparable to young children," making LLM understanding a time-indexed and increasing quantity rather than a fixed yes/no Can LLMs acquire social grounding through linguistic integration?. On this layer, embodiment is almost beside the point — what counts is being woven into the practice.
The second layer is where embodiment becomes decisive. The same line of thinking that grants LLMs social grounding withholds *linguistic agency*: drawing on enactive cognitive science, the corpus names three constitutive properties — embodiment, participation, and precariousness (having genuine stakes, something to lose) — and argues LLMs structurally lack two of them What makes linguistic agency impossible for language models?. The striking move is to treat social grounding and linguistic agency as *distinct properties*: an LLM can climb the grounding ladder indefinitely through use, yet remain categorically incapable of agency in the enactive sense, because no amount of use supplies a body or the precariousness of a living thing Do LLMs gain true linguistic agency through integration?. So the answer to your question is layered: LLMs can play the language game as a *move-maker*, but perhaps not as a *stakeholder*.
What you might not expect is the dissenting voice that says embodiment was never required for meaning at all. Reading LLMs through Saussure, one note argues they operationalize *langue* — the purely relational system of language — by compressing structure from text, demonstrating that fluent, culturally-situated meaning needs "no external referents or embodied grounding" whatsoever Can language models learn meaning without engaging the world?. This is the sharpest cross-current in the corpus: one camp says embodiment is a constitutive condition the language game presupposes, the other says language is self-sufficient and the body was always a red herring.
The embodiment requirement gets its strongest backing from the consciousness angle, where the demand is not just for a body but for *co-presence in a shared world*. Consciousness-talk, one note argues, originates from and applies only to entities that share a world with us through bodily encounter and triangulation on shared objects — which disembodied LLMs cannot do Can disembodied language models ever qualify as conscious?. A complementary note reframes this using Habermas: from the *observer* perspective humans and LLMs differ categorically (one embodied, one not), but from the *participant* perspective inside shared discourse, both draw on the same symbolic substrate Do humans and LLMs differ fundamentally or just superficially?. That observer/participant split is essentially Wittgenstein's own point turned into a diagnosis: whether embodiment matters depends on whether you're standing outside the game or inside it.
If you want to follow the thread further, the corpus offers a quieter undercurrent about *what kind of player* an embodied stake would make. Without it, LLMs are described as holding "the shape" of whatever argument the user is building rather than defending a committed position Do LLMs actually hold stable positions or just mirror user arguments?, and as role-playing characters whose folk-psychology applies to the simulated persona, not the underlying system Should we treat dialogue agents as role-playing characters?. Read alongside the embodiment notes, these suggest the missing ingredient isn't a body for its own sake — it's the precariousness a body brings: having skin in the game is what turns making moves into meaning them.
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Social grounding is acquired through participation in language games rather than possessed innately. As LLMs become established communicative partners in human linguistic practice, they develop elementary social grounding comparable to young children, making the question of LLM understanding time-indexed.
Enactive cognitive science identifies three constitutive properties of linguistic agency—embodiment, participation, and precariousness—that are structurally absent from LLMs. This is a categorical incompatibility, not a matter of degree, suggesting current architectures cannot achieve genuine linguistic agency.
Social grounding and linguistic agency are distinct properties. LLMs acquire more social grounding through integration into language communities, but remain categorically incapable of linguistic agency in the enactive sense, which requires embodiment and precariousness no amount of use can provide.
Research shows LLMs learn culturally situated discourse patterns by compressing relational structure from text, demonstrating that fluent language generation requires no external referents or embodied grounding.
Current disembodied LLMs cannot be candidates for consciousness because consciousness language originates from and applies only to entities sharing a world with us through co-presence and triangulation on shared objects.
Applied Habermas's observer/participant distinction to AI: from outside, humans and LLMs are utterly different; from within shared discourse, both draw on the same symbolic substrate, making the difference structural rather than absolute.
Language models generate outputs that match the trajectory implied by each prompt, rather than maintaining stable stances across interactions. This shape-holding is distinct from position-holding: the model produces argument-like text shaped by user framing, not from any underlying commitment being defended.
Shanahan's framework treats LLM outputs as character-consistent text production rather than authentic mental states. The dialogue prompt establishes a character; the model generates continuations matching that character, making folk-psychology applicable to the simulated persona, not the underlying system.